Knocked Up Podcast - MAKING ROOM FOR A WOMB WITH pRUE cRAVEN
Prue Craven was 17 years old when she found out that she didn’t have a uterus.
Prue Craven was 17 years old when she found out that she didn’t have a uterus.
Prue has ovaries and can produce eggs. But without a uterus, she cannot carry a baby.
Today, Prue and baby rose, join us on knocked up to share their story.
Hosted by Dr Raelia Lew and Jordi Morrison
Dr Raelia Lew is a RANZCOG Board Certified CREI Fertility specialist, Gynaecologist and the Director of Women’s Health Melbourne.
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TRANSCRIPT
Jordi Morrison: Hello, and welcome to Knocked Up, the podcast about fertility and women's health. You are joined as always by me, Jordi Morrison, and Dr. Raelia Lew, CREI fertility specialist. Welcome, Raelia.
Dr Raelia Lew: Hi, Jordi. How are you?
Jordi Morrison: I'm good, thank you. Really excited for today’s guest, something we’ve been trying to organize for a while. Welcome, Prue.
Prue Craven: Thanks for having me.
Dr Raelia Lew: Jordi, do you want to introduce Prue to our audience and explain why she is so special?
Jordi Morrison: Oh, well, Prue and I met when I was part of a meeting of CREI specialists in Sydney last year. At that point in time, she was invited to speak on a panel as only the second person in Australia who had ever gone through the process of uterine transplantation. We’re really excited to catch up at this stage of what has been a long journey — and an ongoing journey — when she is now a mum.
Jordi Morrison: So baby Rose — you guys can’t see this — but baby Rose has joined our recording today, so you might hear a few special sounds. We hope you all enjoy them as much as we are.
Prue Craven: At the moment, she’s being very well behaved.
Jordi Morrison: Your hashtag, your point of reference, is always "making room for a womb." How did that come around?
Prue Craven: It’s really funny. It’s always like almost a nickname I’ve had in the back of my mind, and it made a lot of sense because, you know, being born without a uterus, you feel like you’ve got this gap that you want to fill either metaphorically or physically. Growing up as a young woman being diagnosed with MRKH syndrome, I felt like I was always missing something that I should have been born with. I wanted to fill the void in lots of different ways of the things I was missing out on with not having a uterus. So that nickname popped into my head and felt like it made a lot of sense.
Jordi Morrison: It’s pretty cute. Raelia, what is MRKH?
Dr Raelia Lew: It’s one of those ways you can embarrass a fertility doctor with difficult words to pronounce — Mayer-Rokitansky-Küster-Hauser syndrome. It’s an eponymous syndrome named after the people who described it. It’s being born without a womb. The ovaries, however, come from a different embryological origin. So in this condition, you still have ovaries and eggs and develop normally due to ovarian hormones. But there is no womb, and no passage where egg and sperm can meet.
Jordi Morrison: Prue, can you tell us how you were diagnosed and how it felt at the time?
Prue Craven: I was around 16 or 17 years old. I hadn’t gotten my period, and my younger sister and friends had. We initially thought it was because I was active in sport. Eventually, my mum took me to the GP, and then I was referred to a gynaecologist at the Royal Children’s Hospital. After MRI and CT scans, about 10 doctors came into the room at one point — very intimidating. Eventually, I was told I had MRKH. The doctor just said, “You don’t have a uterus. You will not get periods and you will not be able to have a baby.” It was a huge shock at a really vulnerable time in my life.
Jordi Morrison: Would that be around the time most people who have this are diagnosed?
Dr Raelia Lew: Yeah, I would say so. That’s the most common time because there’s nothing else that you would identify as being the matter. You go through puberty at the normal time in terms of the changes that a lot of people undergo, like breast development and hormonal activity in terms of interest in the opposite sex and growth spurt. All of those things happen normally. So really, the first sign is, I would say, the missing period for most people.
Jordi Morrison: And is it rare? I certainly hadn’t heard about it until I knew about Prue.
Dr Raelia Lew: Yeah. It’s quite uncommon. And, unfortunately, in medicine, you don’t want to have the thing that people haven’t heard about or that happens very occasionally. It is uncommon. It’s not that uncommon. I mean, in terms of my clinical career, I’ve probably diagnosed two or three people with the condition over the fifteen years or so that I’ve had exposure during training as an obstetrics and gynecology doctor and specialist, just to give you an idea. So it’s something that — and I’m a subspecialist in reproductive medicine — so I think I would probably have more exposure than a lot of people to some areas like adolescent gynecology, which is really where you diagnose patients for the first time with this problem.
Dr Raelia Lew: And so, Prue, just from that, you know, kind of car crash moment where you got that terrible diagnosis from your perspective, compared to now holding baby Rose, can you tell us a bit about your journey?
Prue Craven: Oh, well, I’ll tell you what. It’s been a — it’s been like a roller coaster. Obviously started when I was 17 and, you know, going into a relationship. And I guess having MRKH affects your ability to have intercourse as well because you’re born with a partially formed vagina and no cervix. So you just don’t expect that things like that are gonna start affecting relationships before they even happen.
Prue Craven: So that — I found that quite difficult, you know, at the very beginning, just getting into relationships with boys and then eventually with my husband, who’s been very supportive. And then there’s having the conversations about — quite early on — about having to go through fertility treatment in order to have a family, and that was quite difficult in itself as well and takes a lot of planning. So my husband and I got married, and we began our fertility treatment about one year later. We started with doing IVF, which is the natural way to start in order to do surrogacy because that was the only option at that stage.
Prue Craven: Over the course of a couple of years, I underwent about six cycles — six IVF cycles — in order to create embryos. And there were a couple of cycles that failed, and I didn’t get any — I didn’t get any surviving embryos out of it. So that’s why I did six in such a short space of time. And at that stage, we didn’t have the offer of an altruistic surrogate here in Australia. Lots of my family, friends — we’re all still young and having children. So our only option was to go over to Thailand.
Prue Craven: So we went over to Thailand and went through a clinic there, and we underwent about six embryo transfers there over the course of a year and a half. We did fall pregnant a couple of times, but were really unlucky and suffered a couple of miscarriages later in the first trimester. And then, ultimately, our surrogacy journey there had to end. We ran out of embryos, and it was becoming quite expensive and was no longer regulated — well regulated. So we decided to end our journey there.
Prue Craven: And we did look into adoption in both Australia and the UK when we were living over in the UK. But as you’ve probably heard, there’s lots of — there’s lots of red flags and lots of tape surrounded by the process of adoption. It’s not as easy as it looks and can be quite a lengthy and complicated process. And at that stage of our lives, we were still quite young. We weren’t that well established in where we were living. You know, we hadn’t saved up that much money. So it was just going to be one of those things that — we weren’t seen as an ideal candidate for adoption in comparison to someone who might be, sort of, you know, a bit older, in their forties, and a bit more well established in their living circumstances.
Prue Craven: So that was another sort of dead end journey. And then we came back from — we came back from London, and not long after that, we started investigating surrogacy in the Ukraine because it’s regulated by the government for heterosexual couples. And that was looking quite promising, but just given the circumstances, we were trying to not let on with our families what we were doing. We just wanted to keep our cards close to our chest, and we were planning kind of a European trip tailed on and then coming home with a baby.
Prue Craven: And I’m really grateful that another option popped up because, you know, looking back now, that probably would have been a really, really bad idea going over there, given everything that’s going on. But about the same time that we were thinking about doing that, I saw the Uterine Transplant Program through RPA Hospital advertised on the news, and I thought, I’ve been looking at this and talking about this for such a long time. I know it’s been happening over in Sweden, and I know that they’re doing it in America. You know? Why can’t they do it here?
Prue Craven: I’d been in contact with a doctor in Queensland who apparently had been involved in some way and tried to get on some sort of register of interest list and never heard anything back. So I contacted RPA Hospital and began the screening late in 2019. And, unfortunately, my mother wanted to be a donor but wasn’t eligible because she is a different blood type to me. So my mum’s friend, Madonna, offered to be a donor, and we just — it was just — I couldn’t believe it.
Prue Craven: And we just began the process of doing the screening, flying up to Sydney every month for various types of tests — like scans, blood tests, internal checks, lots and lots of different medical tests. And then that got shut down because of COVID. RPA became a COVID streaming hospital. So COVID sort of knocked everything about and put everything on hold for two years.
Prue Craven: We moved up to Sydney in the hope that it would resume, but it didn’t. I did another IVF cycle at that time because in order to do the transplant, I needed genetically tested embryos, which is not something that I had done in the past because I was so young. But this time around, I was 34 years old, and I could completely understand the importance of having PGD tested embryos, especially given my age and the fact that I was going to be having an embryo transfer after uterine transplant. We wanted to maximize our chances of falling pregnant and not having to go through miscarriage in this situation.
Prue Craven: So, I underwent that, and then the trial never resumed. So we came back to Melbourne, had a friend offer to be a surrogate, so we went through the process of getting approval for surrogacy with a very kind friend of mine. And then that ended up basically not going anywhere because she was found to not have thick enough uterine lining. So that was quite heartbreaking.
Prue Craven: And then the trial seemed to pick back up again at the end of 2022, and we hit another speed bump in 2023 with my donor. There were a couple of issues that the transplant team weren’t quite satisfied with and wanted to improve these things over a little bit more time. And in the end, I had a phone call from Dr. Rebecca Deans from the Royal Hospital for Women saying that they had an opening because one of their candidates had had to pull out, and they had the Swedish doctor Mats Brännström coming out, as already planned for this transplant surgery, and they didn’t have a candidate.
Prue Craven: And she’d heard about — she’d heard about me, and we had a lengthy discussion. And long story short, I had a uterine transplant on the March 10 and had an embryo transfer on the September 8, was very fortunate to fall pregnant. And on the March 29 year, I gave birth to my beautiful baby daughter, Rose. And here we are.
Jordi Morrison: It’s amazing.
Dr Raelia Lew: It’s amazing. Big shout out to Dr. Rebecca Deans at the Royal Hospital for Women in Sydney and also at Life Fertility in Sydney.
Jordi Morrison: What a rocky road that must have been. You’ve obviously had so many highs and lows during that time. How have you coped?
Prue Craven: I don’t know. Sometimes you feel like you’re not coping, and then you just — you just sort of think, you know what? I don’t have a choice. I need to keep going. I can’t just give up. I had plenty of reasons to give up, and I definitely had lots and lots of issues trying to manage just functioning in normal everyday life at the same time as, you know, dealing with all these different types of fertility treatment avenues.
Prue Craven: And it’s a really hard conversation to have with friends and family. Like, it’s not just something you bring up at the dinner table. It’s not just something you bring up when you’re having coffee with a friend because lots of people just don’t know how to talk about it. They don’t know how to react. They don’t know what to say. They’re afraid to say the wrong thing.
Prue Craven: So I found myself really bottling a lot of that and keeping it to myself, and it becomes a really lonely journey. But I continued to get mental health treatment throughout that time, and I think — honestly, I think that’s the only thing that got me through. And the support of my husband, Tom. We have an amazing relationship, and we’re really lucky that going through everything that we have hasn’t broken us, because there were plenty of times where we felt close, but we just sort of stuck it out. And if anything, we’ve just become so rock solid and resilient that even the smallest issues just seem so small now, you know, given everything that we’ve been through.
Prue Craven: You just don’t sweat the small stuff once you’ve sort of had a rough time. Everything just seems, you know, easy after that. Not saying that it is, but you know what I mean.
Jordi Morrison: A lot of people — women, I think — who don’t need fertility treatment and those who do focus a lot on giving birth and having a birth plan and how things are gonna happen. What happened in your pregnancy that was different from what most people would experience in pregnancy? I’m sure there are lots of things that you probably went through in the pregnancy — monitoring that are not the run of the mill...
Dr Raelia Lew: Yeah.
Jordi Morrison: ...way that people are treated in pregnancy.
Prue Craven: Yeah. Absolutely. I guess it was — the pregnancy was quite unique in itself. I was, you know — obviously, I had a donor uterus, so I was on immunosuppressant therapy, which involved various medications which can have multiple side effects on your system. So I went into my pregnancy with transplant-induced diabetes from the medication that I was on, and I also already was suffering with quite significant anemia as well.
Prue Craven: So it’s not a great way to start your pregnancy off, but all of these things, I just felt like — it’s all manageable. And in the grand scheme of things, I, you know, I wasn’t in rejection, and I was very lucky to be pregnant. So, I also had to undergo monthly cervical biopsies to check for transplant rejections. That was something else that I had to deal with every month, which was quite an unpleasant procedure.
Prue Craven: On top of that, I had to have quite regular scans — abdominally and internal scans — and eventually, those scans became every fortnight. So that was something else that I sort of wasn’t too prepared for until I got told that, you know, this is what’s gonna happen. I was not allowed to have any intercourse for the entire duration of my pregnancy because they wanted to minimize the risk of infection. And that’s — that’s quite a — that’s a really hard piece of information, especially having to pass on to my husband. That’s not something that you think that is gonna happen, but that’s what I got told. So that was — that was quite a challenge.
Prue Craven: And then about halfway through my pregnancy, I started to become really unwell. I started picking up multiple infections. I had severe gastroparesis. I had acute kidney injury. My kidneys were not functioning very well. I was in and out of hospital. I wasn’t able to eat, so I stopped putting on weight. And Rose had dropped off in her growth as well during pregnancy, and we’re not quite sure why.
Prue Craven: And so I was in and out of hospital from about 22 weeks onwards, and at about 30 weeks, I developed preeclampsia, which I was already at risk of being on the medications. I never had a problem with blood pressure, but the medications just must have tipped me over the edge, and I was quite unwell. And then, ultimately, I went into premature labor with Rose. And when I gave birth — which I had an emergency caesarean on Good Friday — they said that my placenta had begun to calcify and that that was a good sign that she needed to come out, and ultimately, she would have stopped growing.
Prue Craven: So, yeah, it was quite a — it was quite an awful pregnancy. I was quite unwell, but I’d had nothing to compare it to. So for me, I was like, oh, this is horrible, but I can do this. You know? I’ve been through worse than this.
Dr Raelia Lew: Amazing. Most people who have a caesarean have to have an abdominal operation once in a pregnancy, and obviously, you had the transplant as well. So you ended up bookending your pregnancy with major abdominal surgery. Obviously, not many people have gone through this surgery. I mean, a lot of the time as a gynecologist, when I talk about surgeries that we do all the time — that I do every week — things like laparoscopic assessment for endometriosis, I talk to patients through all the risks of that surgery, and it’s something that I’ve done so many of and that the risks are quite low.
Dr Raelia Lew: When you went through that counselling before uterine transplantation, you went into it knowing that there’d been, you know, only a few people in the whole world who’d had this operation. And, you know, how did you feel about that at the time?
Prue Craven: Well, I don’t know. I think I’m like the ultimate optimist. I just — I just believed that I’d gotten to that point for a reason and everything had worked out for a reason, that it was meant to happen. And I just kept convincing myself of that over and over and over again.
Prue Craven: But in saying that, I was — you know, I had really quite severe anxiety going into that process of the — you know, the donor, Maddie. She had every right to pull out all the way up until the end. We dealt with COVID in between. We dealt with, like, me going back to surrogacy in between because the trial was on hold. So there were lots of — there were lots of speed bumps that could have really sort of significantly impacted our ability to go ahead with the transplant.
Prue Craven: And, you know, when you’re talking about the risks — like, of course, there’s all the risks about, you know, going through that whole surgery and then it not working, or there was a chance that I would wake up from the surgery and they’d say that, you know, they weren’t able to go ahead with the transplant even though they, you know, they do all of these really thorough checks to make sure that everything’s gonna be successful, but you just don’t know until you, you know, you’re — you’re going in there and you’re doing it.
Prue Craven: And then I knew that there was a risk because my donor is not related. I knew that there was a risk that I’d have rejection. I knew there was a risk that I would have a quite a severe CMV activation because my donor was CMV positive, and I’m CMV negative, so I was on antivirals for quite a long time because of that. There’s so many — there were so many, so many things that could have gone wrong, and I knew all of that going in, but I think I was just — I was so desperate. Like, I was like, you know, this is — this is it. I’m out of options. This is my last chance.
Prue Craven: I’m gonna throw everything at it, and if it doesn’t work out, I can never sit back and say I didn’t give it my all. And I was willing to basically do anything I possibly could to have this transplant, even go overseas and pay for it to be done if I could’ve. Like, I was willing to pretty much do anything, and that’s — that’s what got me over the line.
Dr Raelia Lew: For anyone out there who’s listening, it’s a very specialized surgery that we’re talking about. There are only a few places in the world where this is done. And in Australia at the moment, there is really the Royal Hospital for Women, in conjunction with RPA, and mainly the Royal Hospital for Women in Sydney, that are able to offer a very limited number of patients the opportunity to participate in this type of surgery in a trial context.
Dr Raelia Lew: And so there are some fairly specific criteria. There are some people without a uterus who would not fit those criteria. And it’s not something that gynaecologists in Australia would — (a) have the expertise to perform or (b) have the resources to perform outside of that trial setting. So any people who are interested, we’ll put links in the show notes to the research program in Sydney.
Jordi Morrison: My question is about a second baby. What — what happens then?
Prue Craven: I — I have the option. Every recipient has the option of trying for a second pregnancy if the first one’s been successful. Obviously, in between having the first baby and trying for a second, I have to have a reestablished menstrual cycle, and my kidney function and liver function have to normalize and essentially just physically recover from a seizure. I have to not be in rejection as well, so I’ll continue to have survival biopsies leading up to that point.
Prue Craven: And I’m hoping beginning of next year that I’ll be able to try for another embryo transfer and hopefully have another baby before the end of — before the 2025 — because it’d be nice going into a new year and not having to — not having to undergo this process anymore, because it’s quite — it’s quite debilitating on your life. There’s lots of different doctors that I need to see, and I’m on medication every day, which affect my ability to function. And, yeah, it’s — it’s — it’s a lot to — to sort of deal with, so I’m really hoping that I can try for a second baby next — next year.
Jordi Morrison: And you mentioned that you need to reestablish your menstrual cycle, but then we started this story with you not getting your period at all. So when did you get your first period, and what was that like?
Prue Craven: That was — that was a novelty and a half for a minute. I got my first period, I think it was 32 days after having the transplant.
Dr Raelia Lew: And how — how old were you?
Prue Craven: I was — how old was I? I was 36. I was 36 when I had the transplant, and, my goodness. That was — it was like this milestone that I’ve been, you know, waiting my whole life to experience. And, you know, I felt like a teenage girl again in a way because all the questions that I was asking my friends and my mum and just really simple things like, how do you put a pad in underwear? I just never knew that for obvious reasons.
Prue Craven: And, you know, how am I supposed to walk while I’ve got my period? Because this is — you know, it felt like bits of my body were falling out. So it was — for about one or two days, I was like, this is awesome. I’m — you know, I finally felt like a real woman, and I’m getting a period, and, you know, this means that I can have a baby. And then after a couple of days, the novelty quickly wore off, you know, once the cramps and that sort of stuff kicked in. I was like, okay. This was great, but I’m — I’m good with finishing this now.
Prue Craven: But then, obviously, it was — I wanted it to continue so I’d be able to try and get pregnant. So it’s been — even now when I get — when I get a period, it still feels like, oh my goodness. This is so — this is such — so bizarre that my body can even do this. It just — it just knows straight away, like, you know, I only had, like, five periods before I got pregnant. So I had — I had only a short period of time to adjust to this — this new thing that my body could do, which you just take for granted because, you know, everyone else gets it when they’re a teenager.
Prue Craven: And then not having it through pregnancy and then getting it after pregnancy, it’s like, oh, we’re back to this again. You know? Something else to readjust to. So it’s been — it’s just mind blowing how the body just knows what to do, and it’s just, you know, just so clever. It’s — it’s just amazing.
Dr Raelia Lew: Yep. In IVF, I always talk to patients when we start a cycle outside of a day one start, like a period start, you know, and I kind of, you know, say, well, look, if we’re not putting an embryo back, if we’re doing an egg freeze cycle or an embryo freeze cycle, it doesn’t matter what the uterus is up to, really. It’s not in sync with the ovaries in this context.
Dr Raelia Lew: But, yeah, in your context — getting a period for the first time, you’ve probably been feeling all those hormonal ups and downs your whole life with, you know, the ovulation and the estrogen rise and the progesterone rise just without the bleeding, and suddenly the body just knows what to do.
Prue Craven: Yeah. I definitely had, like, the ovarian — that, you know, the ovary pain that you get, and I got, you know, sore boobs and mild mood changes and skin changes. So I had all of those things. I was just missing the bleeding. So, now that it’s all working together, it’s — it’s a lot to deal with.
Prue Craven: And I think one of the — the first things that I thought when I got my period was, how have women possibly functioned in society with getting their period and trying to manage everyday life? Because it can be quite debilitating. Like, I think the first week I had — my first time I had my period, I was couch-bound for a week because I was in quite a lot of pain, and I’m not allowed to take painkillers. That’s part of the — the deal with being on the medications. I can’t take any, like, Nurofen or anything like that. So it was — it was not very pleasant, but it’s just a — it just amazes me the things that women have gone through in order to get to where they are, and they manage to function in everyday society. And you wouldn’t even know that they’ve got this debilitating period pain. It’s just — I can’t believe it. It’s just — women are amazing.
Dr Raelia Lew: But, you know, you’re probably teaching doctors a little bit about period pain because if you read the theory on uterine transplant, you know, it’s meant to not have a connection to the nervous system in the way that a uterus that you’re born with has. And so the general wisdom — which clearly is not true — is that you shouldn’t have contractions and period pain, and clearly that’s not true.
Dr Raelia Lew: So, I’m sure we’ll learn about the nature of period pain and discover some interesting things that might be clinically useful that kind of contradict some false assumptions as to what causes period pain for women because —
Prue Craven: So bizarre.
Dr Raelia Lew: Interesting.
Prue Craven: What’s bizarre is that, I get quite nasty period pain. But when I went into premature labor, I could not feel the contractions. I was hooked up to the monitor, and they had to wake me up late at night and say, you’re having contractions. You’re in labor. I could feel some pressure in my stomach, but it wasn’t painful.
Prue Craven: But yet when I get a period, it’s painful. So that just messes with my head because I’m thinking that’s all the same — it’s all the same womb. Like — but I don’t know. It’s a mystery to me because you’re right. There’s no nerves connected. It’s bizarre. But something’s going on.
Dr Raelia Lew: So it just must mean something about what period — what causes period pain, and it’s different. Pelvic floor is all. I don’t know. So interesting.
Prue Craven: Yeah. Well, I’m sure — I’m sure, I’m sure in the decades to come, we’ll hear some revised theories on that.
Dr Raelia Lew: Prue, one day you will need to have your uterus removed most likely because of the otherwise ongoing concern with rejection medications.
Prue Craven: Yeah.
Dr Raelia Lew: How do you feel about that after everything you’ve been through?
Prue Craven: I think I feel — I mean, I’m in two minds. Like, when it’s time for the uterus to come out — which will be if I fall pregnant and I have another hopefully planned caesarean — I’ll have a caesarean hysterectomy. So I think part of me will be relieved that the uterus has come out just because, you know, I feel like I waited my whole life to experience what it feels like to have all of the organs that I should have been born with.
Prue Craven: But at the same time, it’s taken such a huge toll on me physically and mentally — being on the meds and everything that I’ve had to go through in order to do this process — that, yeah, I’ll be relieved, but I’ll be grieving at the same time because I’ll be grieving a, you know, part of me that helped me have, you know, a baby — hopefully, two.
Prue Craven: So I think it’s — it’s gonna be — yeah. I think it’ll be mixed emotions when that time comes.
Dr Raelia Lew: No more periods.
Prue Craven: No more periods. I can’t say I’ll be disappointed about that one because I’ve had quite heavy periods at times. But, yeah, I won’t be disappointed, but at the same time, I’ll be grateful that I got to experience that. All I wanted to do was — I just wanted to — like, I wouldn’t have been able to do this with my donor — without my donor, Maddie, helping me. And, you know, obviously, my body’s been through a hell of a lot in order to have a baby, but it’s been completely worth it.
Prue Craven: And I really hope that this clinical trial offers a new avenue of hope and opportunity for women who’ve either had hysterectomy or have been born without a uterus and have MRKH syndrome or some form of syndromes like that. So I really hope that the future is really exciting for women in this position. And I wouldn’t have been able to do this without the amazing team at the Royal Hospital for Women — the uterine transplant team — Dr. Rebecca Deans and Dr. Jana Pittman. It’s quite a large team of doctors, including the obstetrics team. They’ve all just been totally amazing and supportive, and what they’re doing is really changing the face of history for women going through fertility.
Prue Craven: So, yeah, huge, huge perks to them. They’ve been amazing, and thank you so much for having me on.
Jordi Morrison: Oh, thank you, Prue. What a story. Thank you so much for sharing with our listeners.
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